> Honestly, I'll have to sit on this. If anything I'm going against how he maps it to power, no?
I read both as the same:
> Eros shifts the gears, by invention and revolution [=> Eros is the fast part of the system that innovates and learns]
> Thanatos keeps the wheel straight [=> Thanatos is the slow part of the system that constrains the faster pars]
And even when it may seem as a contradiction....
> The self that wants power [Eros / fast].
> And the self that’s scared of gaining it [Thanatos / slow].
[...] I can make sense of it: Eros-fast wants the power because it doesn't really have it. And Thanatos-slow is scared of power because it has too much. Note that this "freudian twist" is not on Stewart Brand's article because he is not analyzing individual humans as systems with fast and slow parts, so this layer of "feelings" do not apply to his model.
> And what % of people do not consume? We're talking less than 0.1%.
Totally agree, I was talking in an almost theoretical way. And I say almost becaue I tested it in practice but with N=1.
> Can you do that from your bedroom? I still think it requires action in the world. Or else can it be reality that you are coping with
I don't understand the last sentence (I'm not a native speaker). I think reality is what I'm coping with and what I tried to convey in my comment.
Regarding if I can change myself from my bedroom, I would say yes, maybe in a less effective way than going outside, but that's the main point: if I want to change the world I MUST act outside, but if I want to change me, it MAY BE ENOUGH to act inside.
> Honestly, I'll have to sit on this. If anything I'm going against how he maps it to power, no?
I read both as the same:
> Eros shifts the gears, by invention and revolution [=> Eros is the fast part of the system that innovates and learns]
> Thanatos keeps the wheel straight [=> Thanatos is the slow part of the system that constrains the faster pars]
And even when it may seem as a contradiction....
> The self that wants power [Eros / fast].
> And the self that’s scared of gaining it [Thanatos / slow].
[...] I can make sense of it: Eros-fast wants the power because it doesn't really have it. And Thanatos-slow is scared of power because it has too much. Note that this "freudian twist" is not on Stewart Brand's article because he is not analyzing individual humans as systems with fast and slow parts, so this layer of "feelings" do not apply to his model.
> And what % of people do not consume? We're talking less than 0.1%.
Totally agree, I was talking in an almost theoretical way. And I say almost becaue I tested it in practice but with N=1.
> Can you do that from your bedroom? I still think it requires action in the world. Or else can it be reality that you are coping with
I don't understand the last sentence (I'm not a native speaker). I think reality is what I'm coping with and what I tried to convey in my comment.
Regarding if I can change myself from my bedroom, I would say yes, maybe in a less effective way than going outside, but that's the main point: if I want to change the world I MUST act outside, but if I want to change me, it MAY BE ENOUGH to act inside.
Thanks for the replies!